Legislature(2005 - 2006)SENATE FINANCE 532

01/27/2005 09:30 AM Senate FINANCE


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Role of ASPIB & Treasury Division
Department of Administration:
Tier Redesign Project Report
                              MINUTES                                                                                         
                     SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                 
                         January 27, 2005                                                                                     
                             9:31 a.m.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                              
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green convened the meeting at approximately 9:31:59 AM.                                                              
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator Lyda Green, Co-Chair                                                                                                    
Senator Gary Wilken, Co-Chair                                                                                                   
Senator Con Bunde, Vice-Chair                                                                                                   
Senator Bert Stedman                                                                                                            
Senator Donny Olson                                                                                                             
Senator Fred Dyson                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Also Attending:  SENATOR  GARY STEVENS;  BILL CORBUS, Commissioner,                                                           
Department of  Revenue; TOM BOUTIN, Deputy Commissioner,  Department                                                            
of  Revenue;   GARY  BADER,  Chief   Investment  Officer,   Treasury                                                            
Division,  Department   of  Revenue;  MELANIE  MILLHORN,   Director,                                                            
Division of  Administrative Services,  Department of Administration                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Attending via  Teleconference: From offnet locations:  SENATOR LYMAN                                                          
HOFFMAN;  BOB REYNOLDS,  Senior Actuarial  Consultant, Mercer  Human                                                            
Resource Consulting                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY INFORMATION                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Department of Revenue: Roles of ASPIB & Treasury Division                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
The  Committee  heard  a  report  from  the  Department  of  Revenue                                                            
Treasury Division's  regarding the  Alaska State Pension  Investment                                                            
Board and the  Public Employees Retirement  System and the  Teachers                                                            
Retirement System.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Department of Administration: Tier Redesign Project Report                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
The Committee heard from  the Department of Administration regarding                                                            
the Tier Redesign Project.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
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     Department of Revenue:                                                                                                     
     Roles of ASPIB & Treasury Division                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green  announced that, in order to allow  time for thorough                                                            
presentations,  Members' questions  would  be entertained  following                                                            
the conclusion  of today's presentations. Were it  deemed necessary,                                                            
the hearing would continue tomorrow.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
BILL CORBUS,  Commissioner, Department  of Revenue, stated  that the                                                            
presentation  would  address  four  issues:  the  structure  of  the                                                            
Department of Revenue Treasury  Division; a review of the Division's                                                            
investment  funds that have  "a role in  managing" investments;  the                                                            
relationship of the Alaska  State Pension Investment Board's (ASPIB)                                                            
investment policy  to the Public Employees Retirement  System (PERS)                                                            
and the  Teachers Retirement  System (TERS)  actuarial assumptions;                                                             
and the ASPIB investment process.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Corbus stated  that the Missions  and Measures  of the                                                            
Treasury Division  specify that it is the Division's  responsibility                                                            
"to collect and  invest the State's money." This would  include cash                                                            
management  functions and insuring  that established guidelines  are                                                            
followed.  An investment  staff of  financial  analysts conduct  the                                                            
"most difficult  and challenging"  responsibility  which is  that of                                                            
investing approximately  four billion dollars of State funds as well                                                            
as  managing  the   investments  of  ASPIB.  The  Commissioner   has                                                            
fiduciary responsibly  for the State's money and,  as an ASPIB board                                                            
member, has  equal responsibility  to that of the other seven  Board                                                            
members.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
TOM BOUTIN,  Deputy Commissioner,  Treasury Division, Department  of                                                            
Revenue, commented  that in 2004, the Treasury Division  managed and                                                            
invested approximately  $20.5 billion of State money as reflected on                                                            
the  Department's  handout  titled "Combined  Schedule  of  Invested                                                            
Assets  at  Fair Value  December  31,  2004"  [copy on  file]  which                                                            
depicts  the money  "by  fiduciary  and within  those  headings,  by                                                            
beneficiary group  or agency." Updated information  could be located                                                            
on the Division's website  each month. The Division manages money on                                                            
behalf  of  "ASPIB  for  four  defined  benefits  programs  and  two                                                            
participant-directed  plans."  The Division  manages money for  four                                                            
State  agencies  and  27  other  funds  that  the  Commissioner  has                                                            
judiciary responsibility  for. Cash flows, cash needs, liquidity and                                                            
investment  restrictions  associated  with such  things as  proceeds                                                            
from tax exempt bonds that vary by fund.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Boutin stated that  today's presentation would be limited to the                                                            
activities   of  the  Treasury   Division   and  ASPIB,  which   was                                                            
established  by  legislation  in 1992.  The  Treasury  Division  was                                                            
charged with  exercising "the investment,  custodial and  depository                                                            
powers  or duties, the  Fiduciary of  a State  fund shall apply  the                                                            
prudent  investor rule  and exercise  a fiduciary  duty in the  sole                                                            
financial best  interest of the Fund.  Treasury further refines  the                                                            
prudent  investor rule  to  the standards  of: 1)  an institutional                                                             
investor;  2) a  professional;  and 3)  an investor  managing  large                                                            
investments. While  some funds managed by Treasury  and entrusted to                                                            
the Commissioner  of  Revenue are  Trust funds,  such as the  Public                                                            
School Trust Fund  and the Children's Trust, Treasury  uses the same                                                            
investment  process  and standards  for all  funds."  In regards  to                                                            
procedures,  "Treasury  prepares  written  investment  policies  and                                                            
documents   investment  processes.   Each  fund  has  missions   and                                                            
objectives  that lead to  an appropriate  asset allocation  strategy                                                            
and  establishment   of  specific   investment  policy.   Investment                                                            
managers  are selected  for each  fund to implement  the  investment                                                            
policy."  Approximately   four  billion  dollars   of  fixed  income                                                            
management  is conducted  internally  with the balance  of the  fund                                                            
being conducted  by external  investment  managers. "Performance  of                                                            
managers  is strictly  monitored,  evaluated,  and  documented"  and                                                            
ASPIB  and the  Commissioner  of  Revenue  hold formal  meetings  to                                                            
monitor  performance  and asset  allocations. Results  are  reported                                                            
quarterly and independent audits are conducted annually.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Boutin  reported that the Division  is allowed by State  Statute                                                            
to  establish   investment  pools   and  benchmarks.  Policies   are                                                            
maintained  and available for viewing  on the Department's  website.                                                            
Formal  processes  exist for  asset  allocation and  asset  classes,                                                            
expected returns, risks,  time and time horizons, risk tolerance and                                                            
liquidity,  and  "the evaluation  and  hiring  and firing  of  money                                                            
managers".  The fiscal year 2004 Rate  of Return on Investments  for                                                            
PERS  and TRS  was  15.08 percent  and  15.09,  respectfully.  These                                                            
returns exceeded  the actuarial  assumptions  as well as the  medium                                                            
return  for public funds,  as reported  by Callan  & Associates.  He                                                            
referenced the  Department's handout titled "Cumulative  Performance                                                            
Relative to Target" [copy  on file] whose "Cumulative Returns Actual                                                            
vs Target"  chart depicts  the Fund's rates  of returns experienced                                                             
since  1991  to  the   national  actuarial  expected   returns.  The                                                            
handout's  chart titled "Thirteen  Year Annualized  Risk vs  Return"                                                            
portrays  the  Fund's  rate  of  return  to  a  larger  universe  of                                                            
comparable funds.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
GARY  BADER,   Chief  Investment   Officer,  Alaska  State   Pension                                                            
Investment  Board  and Treasury  Division,  Department  of  Revenue,                                                            
pointed out that State  Statutes specify that the PERS and TRS Board                                                            
would establish  their actuarial rates  of return after the  receipt                                                            
of advice  from  the Division  of Retirement  and  Benefits and  the                                                            
Actuary. The Actuary,  whose investment horizon is  approximately 25                                                            
to  30 years,  determines  the  assumptions  and  then  applies  the                                                            
assumption and  develops "the estimated contribution  rates required                                                            
of  the employers  in  the system."  The  Actuarial  information  is                                                            
presented  annually, in a  joint meeting, to  the Boards. The  ASPIB                                                            
Board is  "acutely aware"  that PERS/TRS  are anticipating  "an 8.25                                                            
percent rate  of return over a long  period of time." Following  the                                                            
Actuarial presentation  and the PERS/TRS adoption of their actuarial                                                            
rates of return, ASPIB  would establish "its target earnings for the                                                            
coming year."                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bader continued that  the process leading up to the point of how                                                            
ASPIB establishes  its earning assumptions each year,  including how                                                            
to deploy  the  assets, is  further  explained in  the Department's                                                             
packet titled  "Alaska State Pension  Investment Board Presentation                                                             
to the Senate Finance Committee:  The Role of ASPIB and the Treasury                                                            
Division"  [copy  on file],  dated  January  27, 2005.  This  packet                                                            
contains an abbreviated  version of what the Board  considers in the                                                            
process "of setting its asset allocations."                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bader reviewed the packet's presentation as follows.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Page two                                                                                                                   
     Agenda                                                                                                                     
     * Present reasoning behind capital market projection process                                                               
     - economic background                                                                                                      
     - specific projections                                                                                                     
     * Discuss implications generally                                                                                           
     * Outline next steps                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bader stated  that page two outlines  the process undertaken  by                                                            
the  Division's   financial  consultant,   Callan  Associates   Inc.                                                            
regarding  capital market  assumptions  as to how  the stock  market                                                            
would perform  over the  next five  years for  such things as  fixed                                                            
income and other asset allocation classes.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Page four                                                                                                                  
     Callan's Capital Market Projection Process                                                                                 
     Economic Outlook Drives Our Projections                                                                                    
     * Evaluate the current environment and economic outlook for                                                                
     the U.S. and other major industrial countries:                                                                             
     - Business cycles, relative growth, inflation.                                                                             
     * Examine the relationships between the economy and asset                                                                  
     class performance patterns.                                                                                                
     * Examine recent and long-run trends in asset class                                                                        
     performance.                                                                                                               
     *Apply market insight:                                                                                                     
     - Consultant experience - Plan Sponsor, Manager Search,                                                                    
     Specialty                                                                                                                  
     -Industry consensus                                                                                                        
     -Client Policy Review Committee                                                                                            
     * Test the projections for reasonable results.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bader stated  that page four is the first of several  pages that                                                            
demonstrate the types of  evaluations Callan considers in developing                                                            
their assumptions.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Page five                                                                                                                  
     2004 Capital Market Projections                                                                                            
     Guiding Objectives                                                                                                         
     *Our best thinking regarding the 5-year outlook, recognizing                                                               
     our median projections represent the midpoint of a range,                                                                  
     rather than a specific number.                                                                                             
     *Results that are readily defensible both for individual asset                                                             
     classes and for total portfolios.                                                                                          
     *Conscious of the level of change suggested in strategic                                                                   
     allocations for DB, DC and foundation/endowment clients.                                                                   
     *Reflect common sense and recent market developments.                                                                      
     *Balance conflicting goals and conflicting opinions.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bader  read the  information on  page five.  The information  on                                                            
page six  is a reflection  on recent  years' asset  returns.  In the                                                            
year 2000, the  Russell 3000's return of a negative  7.46 percent is                                                            
an  indicator of  how  the stock  market  performed  in general.  In                                                            
contrast, the  Leman Brothers Aggregate  reflected a positive  11.63                                                            
percent that  year. "This demonstrates  one of the basic  tenants of                                                            
investment management,"  which is that of having "a  number of asset                                                            
classes  that  have  rates  of  return  that   are  not necessarily                                                             
correlated  with  one another."  When  possible,  asset allocations                                                             
should be made according to those principals.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Bader  stated  that  page  seven depicts  global  perspectives                                                             
considered  by Callan Associates.  Page eight considers information                                                             
regarding the  United States economy. He highlighted  information on                                                            
page eight regarding interest rates as follows.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     * Interest rates are still extraordinarily low:                                                                            
     - Treasury bonds yields were at their lowest in 40-years, duet                                                             
     to                                                                                                                         
          *Aggressive Fed action to lower interest rates                                                                        
          *Investors, afraid of equity, favoring bonds and driving                                                              
           yields lower.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bader stated  that this information  is being factored  into the                                                            
assumptions  about  "how  committed  we should  be  regarding  fixed                                                            
income in the coming time period."                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Bader  continued that  page  nine  addresses  expectations.  He                                                            
highlighted the section on that page as follows.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     *Callan's outlook in a nutshell: expect a low inflation, low                                                               
     interest rate, single digit return environment.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bader noted  that the graph on  page ten depicts the  historical                                                            
relationship  between  earnings to  price  and the  Standard &  Poor                                                            
(S&P) 500 returns.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Bader expressed  that  the graph  on  page eleven  depicts  the                                                            
historical relationship  between the S&P 500 Earnings  Yield and the                                                            
10-Year Treasury Bond Yield from 1981 through 2003.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bader stated that in  regard to Domestic Fixed Income, the graph                                                            
on  page 12  reflects that  current  yield is  an  indicator of  the                                                            
future  returns  of  bonds.  "There  is  relatively  close  tracking                                                            
between the return on bonds  fives years out and what their yield to                                                            
worst is today."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bader  stated that  page 13  is a thumbnail  explanation  of the                                                            
rationale  for the  2004 capital  market assumptions,  presented  on                                                            
page  fourteen,  that Callan  Associates  presented  to  ASPIB.  The                                                            
Projected  Standard Deviation  (Risk)  factor is  a measure of  "how                                                            
likely that return might vary from the prediction."                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Bader  noted   that  page  15  depicts  the  2004  Correlation                                                             
Coefficient  Matrix.  He  reiterated   that  the investment   policy                                                            
supports  holding a variety  of different  assets classes,  studying                                                            
their variations, and then  determining how they move in relation to                                                            
one another.  Were something  "to move in  step" with another  asset                                                            
class, the correlation  factor would be one; were  it to move in the                                                            
exact opposite  direction, such as  stocks going up and bonds  going                                                            
down  "in  exactly   the  same  proportions  to  one   another"  the                                                            
correlation factor would  be minus one. The correlation factor would                                                            
be zero were there no correlation at all.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Bader   stated  that  pages   16  and  17  provide   additional                                                            
information  that ASPIB would be considering  at the upcoming  March                                                            
meeting  at which  the asset  allocation  would be  established.  He                                                            
noted that ASPIB and its  consultant, Callan Associates, do not work                                                            
independently  in setting  asset  allocations,  as Statutes  require                                                            
that  ASPIB have  an Investment  Advisory  Committee  (IAC), with  a                                                            
minimum of  three members.  He reviewed the  current membership  and                                                            
shared that IAC,  during a recent telephonically conducted  meeting,                                                            
proposed to  ASPIB and Callan Associates  that the asset  allocation                                                            
target  rate of  return be  7.84 percent  as reflected  in the  gray                                                            
column depicted on the  Efficient Frontier Segment chart on page 19,                                                            
with a standard deviation of 11.81 percent over time.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Bader  stated  that  page  20  presents   the  previous  page's                                                            
Efficient Frontier  information in graph form. "The  basic tenant is                                                            
that the  higher return you  expect to get,  the more volatility  of                                                            
returns"  might  be experienced  in  achieving  it.  "Volatility  is                                                            
considered  a  measure of  risk."  He noted  that  Callan's  capital                                                            
market target  rate of return was 7.60 percent based  on a five-year                                                            
projection,  whereas PERS/TRS were  seeking a target return  of 8.25                                                            
percent. He pointed out  that the actuarial assumptions for PERS/TRS                                                            
are  based  on a  thirty-year  horizon,  whereas  Callan  Associates                                                            
utilizes a five-year projection.  "The difference between the two is                                                            
what  is  assumed  in  the  inflation  adjustment  between  the  two                                                            
assumptions. Callan had  an inflation assumption of 2.6 percent. The                                                            
attempt here  is to get a five percent  real rate of return.  If you                                                            
put  into 2.6  percent  inflation,  that  brings  the ASPIB  to  7.6                                                            
percent. Mercer  is also trying in  their assumptions to  get a five                                                            
percent real rate  of return. Their inflation assumption  over a 30-                                                            
year period is  greater than Callan's is over the  five. That is why                                                            
there is a  disconnect between the  earnings assumption of  PERS/TRS                                                            
and the target rate of return for ASPIB."                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Bader continued  that  pages 22  through 24  depict  "graphical                                                            
representations   of  the  probability  of  return."   The  expected                                                            
likelihood  of getting the  target rate of  return is approximately                                                             
"50/50" on the  chart titled "1-Year Range of Return  Comparison" on                                                            
page 22. The  likelihood of exceeding  the target rate of  return is                                                            
depicted  in the column titled  "Proposed".  For example there  is a                                                            
ten-percent  probability of earning  23.94 percent or greater.  Were                                                            
the ten-year Range  of Return chart of page 24 compared  to the one-                                                            
year chart  on page 22,  "the likelihood  of obtaining the  targeted                                                            
range  of return"  is the  relatively the  same,  the likelihood  of                                                            
differing  from that  rate of return  is diminished  as exampled  by                                                            
there being only a ten-percent  probability of earning 12.69 percent                                                            
or higher over the ten-year  period. Therefore, the longer something                                                            
is  invested,  the more  likely  the possibility  of  obtaining  the                                                            
target.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bader informed that,  with the exception of pages 25 and 27, the                                                            
information  in the packet  was provided  by Callan Associates.  The                                                            
information  on  page  25 was  provided  by  Mercer  Human  Resource                                                            
Consulting  in  response  to  the  question,  "how  have  the  funds                                                            
impacted the funding ratios  of the retirement system." As depicted,                                                            
the "rate  of  return exceeded  what the  actuarial  rate of  return                                                            
actually turned  out to be", as reflected on the chart.  "There were                                                            
a number  of years  in which  the ASPIB  and PERS/TRS  funds  earned                                                            
higher rates of returns"  than expected. He noted that the aggregate                                                            
of all the  investment returns impacted  the 2003 funding  ratio for                                                            
PERS, as depicted in the  chart on page 25, but only accounted for a                                                            
negative  3.8 percent decline  in the funding  ratio. Were  the 2004                                                            
investment  returns, which were in  the 15.1 percentage,  taken into                                                            
consideration, the funds  would reflect a positive investment return                                                            
over the period since 1993.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bader  stated that  the "Cumulative Returns  Actual vs.  Target"                                                            
chart on page  26 depicts the Actuarial  Assumption and the  returns                                                            
of the PERS/TRS funds as provided by Callan Associates.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bader  stated that  page 27 contains  a copy  of the January  3,                                                            
2005  letter  from  Mercer  Human  Resource  Consulting  to  Melanie                                                            
Millhorn,  Director  of  the  Department  of  Administration,   that                                                            
presents that  the change in the funded status of  the funds, "while                                                            
slightly impacted  by investment returns … is the  result of changes                                                            
in the liabilities of the funds."                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bader concluded  the Division of Treasury's ASPIB  presentation.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
AT EASE 9:59:58 AM / 10:00:22 AM                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Green  noted  that,  in addition  to  this  meeting  being                                                            
teleconferenced   with  the  Anchorage  and  Fairbanks  Legislative                                                             
Information Offices (LIO), the Kenai LIO is also participating.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
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     TIER REDESIGN PROJECT REPORT                                                                                               
     DEPARTMENT OF ADMINISTRATION                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MELANIE  MILLHORN,  Director,  Division  of Retirement  &  Benefits,                                                            
Department of  Administration, explained that "the  catalyst behind"                                                            
the  tier redesign  project  that  began in  January  2004, was  the                                                            
Commissioner of the Department  of Administration who tasked members                                                            
of the PERS/TRS Board with  developing new tier redesigns to address                                                            
two  areas: the  short-funded  status  for  the systems  and  rising                                                            
employer contribution  rates. The information being  presented today                                                            
includes  information that  was discussed  during the Tier  Redesign                                                            
Project meetings  conducted in Anchorage and Fairbanks  over a nine-                                                            
month period. The "State  of Alaska PERS & TRS Tier Proposals Senate                                                            
Finance" Report  [copy on file] was prepared by the  actuarial firm,                                                            
Mercer  Human  Resource Consulting,  and  is  a compilation  of  the                                                            
information  discussed  during  those meetings.  The  meetings  were                                                            
advertised   and   numerous   employers   and   interested   parties                                                            
participated in  the discussions. In November 2004  the Tier Project                                                            
Review Subcommittee,  which consisted of two PERS  and two TRS Board                                                            
members,  finalized their  work on  this project  and presented  two                                                            
alternative  tier  proposals,  referred  to  as  Alternative  1  and                                                            
Alternative 2,  to the full PERS/TRS Boards. While  the Subcommittee                                                            
favored  Alternative 1,  the full  PERS/TRS Boards  did not  approve                                                            
either  of the  Tier  Redesign alternatives,  and  as  a result,  no                                                            
recommendation  was furthered  to the Department  of Administration                                                             
Commissioner,  Ray Matiashowski. The Tier Review Subcommittee  is no                                                            
longer  active as  their task  has been  completed.  She noted  that                                                            
there was "significant  participation" by the employers, who are the                                                            
stakeholders  of this system," at  the November 2004 PERS/TRS  Board                                                            
meeting.  It should also  be noted  that "all  of the employers  who                                                            
testified   and  participated   in  that   meeting  which   was  the                                                            
culmination  of all  of  that analysis,  benchmarking,"  and  survey                                                            
results, "advocated for new tier alternatives."                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
BOB REYNOLDS,  Senior Actuarial  Consultant,  Mercer Human  Resource                                                            
Consulting,  testified via  teleconference from  an offnet  site and                                                            
stated  that  Mercer  is  the actuary  for  the  State  of  Alaska's                                                            
retirement  systems, the  PERS/TRS systems  in particular.  Mercer's                                                            
role with the Tier Redesign  Project subcommittee was to facilitate,                                                            
gather  information,   and  provide   cost  alternatives   for  tier                                                            
alternatives being considered.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Reynolds  turned his remarks to  the aforementioned handout  and                                                            
stated  that Slide One  on page  one indicates  that the  Retirement                                                            
Program  Financial  Management  is  influenced  by how  the  Benefit                                                            
Policies, Funding Policies, and the Investment Policy interact.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Reynolds reviewed the contents of the Report as follows.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Slide 2, page 1                                                                                                            
     Financial Summary                                                                                                          
     Employer Contribution Rates - PERS                                                                                         
                                      FY05     FY06                                                                           
     Normal Cost Rate:                13.31%  13.24%                                                                            
     Average  Past Service Rate:      11.60%  12.39%                                                                          
     Average  Contribution Rate:      24.91%  25.63%                                                                            
     Board Adopted Rate:              11.77%  16.77%                                                                            
     *The normal cost rate provides for benefits expected to be                                                                 
     earned by active members during the fiscal year                                                                            
     *The past service rate is the part of the contribution that                                                                
     is intended to pay the unfunded liability (over 25 years)                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Slide 3, page 2                                                                                                            
     Financial Summary                                                                                                          
     Employer Contribution Rates - TRS                                                                                          
                                     FY05      FY06                                                                           
     Normal Cost Rate:               14.76%  14.28%                                                                             
     Past Service Rate:              20.81%  24.57%                                                                           
     Total Contribution Rate:        35.57%  38.85%                                                                             
     Board Adopted Rate:             16.00%  21.00%                                                                             
     *The normal cost rate provides for benefits expected to be                                                                 
     earned by active members during the fiscal year                                                                            
     *The past service rate is the part of the contribution that                                                                
      is intended to pay off the unfunded liability (over 25                                                                    
     years)                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Reynolds  stated  that the intention  of Slide  2 regarding  the                                                            
PERS system  and Slide  3 regarding  the TRS system,  is to  provide                                                            
background information  pertinent to the "financial  implications of                                                            
the new  tiers." Mercer's  FY 06 actuarial  calculated rate  for the                                                            
PERS system is 25.63 percent  as denoted as the Average Contribution                                                            
Rate  on  Slide  2  and  38.85  percent  as  denoted  by  the  Total                                                            
Contribution Rate for TRS  on Slide 3. While both of these rates are                                                            
comprised of the  same two components, the Normal  Cost Rate and the                                                            
Past Service  Rate, they  are labeled differently  because  the PERS                                                            
system  employers   "are  each  charged  their  own  separate   rate                                                            
calculation  relative  to their  own circumstances."  Therefore  the                                                            
rate  reflects the  "average  contribution  system" for  PERS "as  a                                                            
whole." The  TRS employer  contribution rate  is referred to  as the                                                            
Total  Contribution Rate  because  a single calculation  rate  would                                                            
apply to  all employers  in the  system. The  definitions of  normal                                                            
cost  rate and  past service  rate  are depicted  at  the bottom  of                                                            
Slides 2 and  3. "The normal cost  rate is the cost of the  benefits                                                            
that the  members who are  actively employed  within the system  are                                                            
earning during  that year." "In any  situation where the  funding is                                                            
less than 100  percent" according to Mercer's calculations,  in that                                                            
there  are less  assets  than there  is  "accrued liability  in  the                                                            
system,  that deficit  is called the  unfunded liability  and  it is                                                            
amortized over  25 years, similar  to a mortgage, except  that it is                                                            
amortized as a level percentage of payroll."                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Reynolds  continued  that for  FY  06, the  PERS  Average  Past                                                            
Service Rate of  12.39 percent is the amount that  would be required                                                            
to pay  off the unfunded  liability over 25  years. The Normal  Cost                                                            
Rate for FY 06 is 13.24  percent. Therefore the Average Contribution                                                            
Rate is 25.63 percent.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Reynolds  declared  that,  by  regulation,  the  PERS  employer                                                            
contribution  could only decrease  or increase  by five percent  per                                                            
year.  Thus, while  the FY  06 Average  Contribution  Rate is  25.63                                                            
percent, the Board Adopted Rate is 16.77 percent.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Reynolds noted that  the FY 06 Normal Cost Rate is 14.28 percent                                                            
and  the  Past   Service  Rate  is   24.57  percent,  for   a  Total                                                            
Contribution  Rate of  38.85 percent.  "The largest  portion of  the                                                            
Total Contribution  Rate is  actually the part  that is required  to                                                            
pay off the unfunded  liability." The TRS Board has  "recommended" a                                                            
rate of 21.00 percent for FY 06.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Reynolds  pointed out  that absent any  unfunded liability,  "if                                                            
the systems  were 100 percent funded,"  the calculated rate  for the                                                            
PERS system would  be 13.24 percent and the calculated  rate for the                                                            
TRS  would be  14.28 percent.  Therefore,  "were  the systems  fully                                                            
funded at this time", the  systems' rates would range between 13 and                                                            
14 percent.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Slide 4, page 2                                                                                                            
     *Rising contribution levels                                                                                                
     *Volatile investment returns                                                                                               
          =investment uncertainty                                                                                               
     *Rising medical costs                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Reynolds  stated  that Slide  4 further  describes  some of  the                                                            
financial concerns of the Tier study.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Slide 5, page 3                                                                                                            
     Overview                                                                                                                   
     Key Information                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Key information gathered and analyzed                                                                                      
     * Employer survey                                                                                                          
     * Member focus groups                                                                                                      
     * Benchmarking                                                                                                             
     * Benefit levels                                                                                                           
     * Demographic projections                                                                                                  
     * Implications of Medicare changes                                                                                         
     * Trends, issues and alternatives                                                                                          
     * Cost analysis and projections                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Reynolds  stated   that  Slide  5  depicts  some   of  the  key                                                            
information  utilized by  the subcommittee  in determining  its Tier                                                            
alternatives.  "An  extensive  body  of  information  was  gathered,                                                            
discussed, and  analyzed over the course of the ten  to eleven month                                                            
period." Much of this information  is available on the Department of                                                            
Administration  website.   "One  key  finding  of  the benchmarking                                                             
activity  that was conducted  was that the  medical program  through                                                            
the PERS/TRS systems  was considerably richer than  programs offered                                                            
in similar states."                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Millhorn  informed   the  Committee  that  the   PERS  and  TRS                                                            
employers' survey results  are located on pages 30 through 57 of the                                                            
Report. The  survey was very important  as it set the framework  for                                                            
gathering information.  Employers' input alerted the subcommittee as                                                            
to which benefits  are valued. 89  PERS employers responded  and ten                                                            
others replied  that they  choose not to participate.  36 of  57 TRS                                                            
employers responded. Surveys  were also distributed to 11 collective                                                            
bargaining unions; only one responded. Employer input was a valued                                                              
component of this process.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Slide 6, page 3                                                                                                            
     Employer Survey - PERS                                                                                                     
     Important Conclusions                                                                                                      
     * Employers want the  retirement program to continue to provide                                                            
     medical coverage                                                                                                           
     *  Many  employers   open  to  the  possibility   of  providing                                                            
     differing  levels  of  medical  coverage  based on  service  or                                                            
     having members share in the cost of coverage                                                                               
     * Other potential  cost savings areas that some  employers seem                                                            
     open to:                                                                                                                   
          - Lowering the post-retirement cost-of-living adjustment                                                              
          - Not providing medical coverage to vested terminated                                                                 
          members                                                                                                               
     * Some  responses seem  to favor continuing  a defined  benefit                                                            
     approach                                                                                                                   
          - Reward long service                                                                                                 
     * However,  responses leaned  towards shifting investment  risk                                                            
     to members                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Slide 7, page 4                                                                                                            
     Employer Survey - TRS                                                                                                      
     Important Conclusions                                                                                                      
     *Employers want the retirement program to continue to                                                                      
     provide medical coverage                                                                                                   
     * Many employers, particularly the largest employers, open                                                                 
     to the possibility of providing differing levels of medical                                                                
     coverage based on                                                                                                          
      service or having members share in the cost of coverage                                                                   
     * Other potential cost savings areas that some employers                                                                   
     seem open to:                                                                                                              
          - Lowering the post-retirement cost-of-living                                                                         
     adjustment                                                                                                                 
          - Not providing medical coverage to vested terminated                                                                 
     members                                                                                                                    
     * Some responses seem to favor continuing a defined benefit                                                                
     approach                                                                                                                   
          - Reward long service                                                                                                 
     * However,  responses leaned  towards shifting investment  risk                                                            
     to members                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Reynolds stated  that  Slides  6 and  7 depict  "the  important                                                            
conclusions  that were drawn  from the Employers'  surveys.  Slide 6                                                            
reflects the conclusions  for PERS employers and Slide 7 depicts the                                                            
conclusions  for TRS employers.  "The conclusions  were essentially                                                             
identical".  He reviewed  the  conclusions  and noted  that  "vested                                                            
terminated  members  are  members  who  leave the  system  prior  to                                                            
reaching   eligibility  for   retirement,   but  who  are   entitled                                                            
nevertheless  to receive a  benefit from the  State once they  reach                                                            
retirement  age." The benchmarking  activity that was undertaken  in                                                            
the Tier  Review  revealed that,  "very  few, if  any, other  system                                                            
provides medical coverage to vested terminated members."                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Slide 8, page 4                                                                                                            
     Overview                                                                                                                   
     System Objectives and Constraints                                                                                          
     Based on information gathered and stakeholder feedback, the                                                                
     Tier Committee drafted the following objectives:                                                                           
     * The System should provide medical benefits to retirees                                                                   
         - Members should bear a greater share of the cost                                                                      
          - Members should have to retire from the System to be                                                                 
          eligible                                                                                                              
     * Benefits should favor longer-service members                                                                             
      * Employer contributions should be more predictable and                                                                   
          stable                                                                                                                
     * Investment risk should be shared by employers and members                                                                
     * Healthcare inflation risk should be shared by employers                                                                  
          and members                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Slide 9, page 5                                                                                                            
     Overview                                                                                                                   
     System Objectives and Constraints                                                                                          
     Based on information gathered and stakeholder feedback, the                                                                
     Tier Committee drafted the following constraints:                                                                          
     * Non-medical benefits must be sufficient to satisfy minimum                                                               
     requirements for employers who do not participate in Social                                                                
     Security                                                                                                                   
     * Benefit changes must take the form of new "tiers"                                                                        
     * Annual cost of benefits should be less than the current                                                                  
     Systems' normal cost rates                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Reynolds stated  that the employers' survey combined  with other                                                            
information  gathered  by  the subcommittee   "led to  the  drafting                                                            
objectives  and  constraints  for  the retirement  system  that  are                                                            
reflected  on Slides  8 and  9. The information  on  Slides 8  and 9                                                            
provide the  framework for what the  subcommittee "was aiming  at in                                                            
arriving at the proposed alternatives."                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Slide 10, page 5                                                                                                           
     Trends and Alternatives                                                                                                    
     Defined Benefit Observations                                                                                               
     * Plans have experienced higher cost levels and greater cost                                                               
     volatility                                                                                                                 
     * Funded status has declined in last 3 years                                                                               
     * Advantages (to employer) of defined benefit plans                                                                        
          - Retention incentives, lower turnover cost                                                                           
          - Workforce management                                                                                                
          - Cost allocated to longer-service employees                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Slide 11, page 6                                                                                                           
     Trends and Alternatives                                                                                                    
     Defined Benefit Observations (continued)                                                                                   
     * Advantages (to employee) of defined benefit plans                                                                        
          - Pooling of longevity risk                                                                                           
          - In most cases, employer bears investment risk                                                                       
          - Predictable, stable retirement income                                                                               
     * Challenges (for employer) of defined benefit plans                                                                       
          - Investment risk                                                                                                     
          - Cost volatility                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Slide 12, page 6                                                                                                           
     Trends and Alternatives                                                                                                    
     Defined Contribution Observations                                                                                          
     * Advantages (to employer) of defined contribution plans                                                                   
          - Predictable cost                                                                                                    
          - Stable cost                                                                                                         
          - Employee assumes investment risk                                                                                    
          - No long-term administrative commitment                                                                              
          - Contribution equity among employees                                                                                 
     * Advantages (to employee) of defined contribution plans                                                                   
          - Portability                                                                                                         
          - Ability to direct investments                                                                                       
          - Contribution equity among employees                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Slide 13, page 7                                                                                                           
     Trends and Alternatives                                                                                                    
     Defined Contribution Observations (continued)                                                                              
     * Challenges for defined contribution plans                                                                                
          - More difficult to manage workforce                                                                                  
          - Employee directed money often earns less                                                                            
          - Amount needed at retirement is often underestimated                                                                 
          - Employees need to contribute in excess of 10 percent,                                                               
                but most do not                                                                                                 
          - Retirees generally not equipped to transform lump sum                                                               
          into monthly payments that last for a lifetime                                                                        
                (difficult to manage longevity risk)                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Reynolds  stated that Slides 10  through 13 describe  trends and                                                            
alternatives   in  retirement  programs  nationwide.   He  read  the                                                            
information  on  the slides  and stated  that  one outcome  of  this                                                            
benchmarking  activity was the realization  that retirement  systems                                                            
around the country "have  experienced or would experience changes to                                                            
their programs."  Therefore, comparing Alaska's retirement  programs                                                            
to others  is difficult  as programs  nationwide are  in a state  of                                                            
flux. An alternative  retirement program  is a defined contribution                                                             
retirement  plan such as a 401K plan,  which is the type  of program                                                            
being proposed  for the federal Social Security program.  "A Defined                                                            
contribution  plan is an account that  is typically invested  at the                                                            
employee's discretion  in the marketplace… in mutual  funds or stock                                                            
funds."  The  advantages  of  a  defined  contribution  plan  to  an                                                            
employer and  an employee are depicted  on Slide 12. The  challenges                                                            
of these plans are depicted on Slide 13.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Slide 15, page 8                                                                                                           
     Proposed Alternatives                                                                                                      
     Overview                                                                                                                   
     * Two alternatives are being presented to the PERS and TRS                                                                 
     Boards, with the                                                                                                           
     Tier Committee recommending Alternative 1                                                                                  
     * Components of Alternative 1                                                                                              
          - defined benefit                                                                                                     
          - defined contribution                                                                                                
          - medical                                                                                                             
          - health reimbursement account (HRA)                                                                                  
     * Components of Alternative 2                                                                                              
          - defined contribution                                                                                                
          - medical                                                                                                             
          - health reimbursement account (HRA)                                                                                  
     * Member contributions under both alternatives are higher                                                                  
     than the current tiers                                                                                                     
     * Contribution rates for the defined contribution component                                                                
     are higher for Alternative 2                                                                                               
      * Post-retirement medical program is the same for both                                                                    
     alternatives                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Reynolds   stated   that   the   Subcommittee   proposed   two                                                            
alternatives,  Alternative  1 and  Alternative  2,  as described  on                                                            
Slide  15. The  health  reimbursement  account  (HRA)  which is  the                                                            
medical  component  being  proposed  for  both  alternatives  "is  a                                                            
vehicle  similar to  a defined  contribution  account  but with  the                                                            
purpose  of setting aside  and building  a fund  to pay for  medical                                                            
expenses in retirement."  Therefore, the HRA plan would be different                                                            
from the current plan.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Reynolds stated  that the difference in the two  Alternatives is                                                            
that  the defined  benefit  portion of  the retirement  program  was                                                            
eliminated  in Alternative  2, "and the costs  that would have  been                                                            
directed  to the  defined  benefit  program  in Alternative  1  were                                                            
instead directed  to the defined contribution part  of Alternative 2                                                            
so that Alternative  2 has a larger  defined contribution  component                                                            
than  Alternative  1 does  and  no defined  benefits  portion."  The                                                            
Member  contribution  in  both Alternatives   would be  higher  than                                                            
current tiers' levels.  While the Subcommittee supported Alternative                                                            
1, the overall PERS/TRS Boards did not approve it.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Slide 16, page 8                                                                                                           
     Proposed Alternatives                                                                                                      
     Defined Benefit Alternative                                                                                                
     Key features of Alternative 1 defined benefit program                                                                      
     * 1 percent of career average pay                                                                                          
     * Pay is indexed from year received to year preceding                                                                      
      retirement (or termination) based on the Anchorage CPI                                                                    
      - for example, 1997 pay for a member retiring on December 31,                                                             
     2009 would be increased at Anchorage CPI for 12 years                                                                      
     * Base pay only                                                                                                            
     * Normal retirement at the earlier of                                                                                      
          - (1) age 60 with 5 years of service (8 years for TRS),                                                               
          or                                                                                                                    
          - (2) 25 years of service (30 years for PERS "others")                                                                
     * Post-retirement pension adjustments similar to current                                                                   
     tiers                                                                                                                      
      * No 10 percent Alaska cost-of-living adjustment (COLA)                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Slide 17, page 9                                                                                                           
     Defined Contribution Alternatives                                                                                          
     Key features of defined contribution components                                                                            
     * Individual accounts are maintained for each member                                                                       
     * Contributions are a percentage of base pay                                                                               
     * Various investment options (member-directed)                                                                             
     * 100% vested                                                                                                              
     * Terminating or retiring member takes account (eligible for                                                               
     rollover)                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Reynolds  stated that Slides 16  through 19, on pages  eight and                                                            
ten,   provide  details   of  the   defined   benefit  and   defined                                                            
contribution components  of the programs. The graph  on Slide 18, on                                                            
page nine,  compares the  value of the TRS  Non-Medical benefits  of                                                            
the current plan at various  ages to the projected values of the two                                                            
proposed Alternatives.  The graph on Slide 19 reflects  these values                                                            
for PERS. The  TRS chart depicted on Slide 18 indicates  that Tier 2                                                            
members who retire  from the current system at age  60 would receive                                                            
higher  benefit   levels  than  either  Alternative;   however,  the                                                            
proposed  Alternatives  would provide  that person  higher  benefits                                                            
were  they to retire  at  an earlier  age. On  average, the  benefit                                                            
levels of the Alternatives  would provide similar values to those of                                                            
current  Tier 2  employees.  A PERS  Tier  2 60-year  old  retiree's                                                            
current benefit  levels would be similar to those  of Alternative 1.                                                            
Prior  to   that  age,  Alternative   1's  value  exceeds   that  of                                                            
Alternative 2 or the current PERS Tier program.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Reynolds  characterized the proposed  Alternatives' Non-medical                                                             
benefit  components as  being "risk-shifting"  rather  than being  a                                                            
cost-reduction.  The  benefit levels  were  designed  to be  roughly                                                            
similar to  the current programs with  some of the investment  risks                                                            
shifting from  the employer to the  employee. The level of  shifting                                                            
is what  differs in the  two proposed alternatives.  "Alternative  1                                                            
shifts some of  the risks from employers to members  and Alternative                                                            
2 shifts" the  entirety of the investment risk from  the employer to                                                            
the members in regards to non-medical benefits.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Reynolds  stated  that  key aspects  of  the  proposed  Medical                                                            
programs are  described on Slides  20 through 28, pages ten  through                                                            
14.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Slide 20, page 10                                                                                                          
     Proposed Medical Program                                                                                                   
     Key Features                                                                                                               
     Key features of post-retirement medical program                                                                            
     * Members  must retire directly from the System  to be eligible                                                            
     * System  sponsored health plan with varying  levels of subsidy                                                            
     or cost to members                                                                                                         
     * Early retirees  get "access only" prior to  normal retirement                                                            
     eligibility                                                                                                                
     * Defined  dollar benefit  from normal  retirement to  Medicare                                                            
     eligibility (currently age 65)                                                                                             
     * Defined  health benefit after  Medicare eligibility,  similar                                                            
     to the current program with the following key exceptions:                                                                  
          - Method of coordination with Medicare                                                                                
          - Retired members will share in the cost through premium                                                              
          contributions                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Slide 21, page 11                                                                                                          
     Proposed Medical Program                                                                                                   
     System Sponsored Health Care Plan                                                                                          
     *  System  sponsored  health  plan available  to  all  eligible                                                            
     retirees, but with varying levels of subsidy                                                                               
     * Basic plan design elements                                                                                               
                                Current Plan        Alternate Plan                                                            
     Medical                                                                                                                  
     *Coordination with                             Maintenance of                                                              
       Medicare                Total Allowance      Benefits                                                                    
     *Deductible               $150/person,         $250/person,                                                                
                  $450/family         $750/family                                                                               
     *Out of Pocket                  $800           $2,500                                                                      
     *Outpatient Surgery             100%           80%                                                                         
       Coinsurance                                                                                                              
     Prescription Drug                                                                                                        
     *Retail                   90 day supply        30 day supply                                                               
      -Generic                       $4             $5                                                                          
      -Brand Formulary               $8             $15                                                                         
      -Brand Non-Formulary           $8             $30                                                                         
     *Mail Order               90 day supply        90 day supply                                                               
      -Generic                       $0             $5                                                                          
      -Brand Formulary               $0             $15                                                                         
      -Brand Non-Formulary           $0             $30                                                                         
     Dental, Vision, Audio     No change                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Slide 22, page 11                                                                                                          
     Proposed Medical Program                                                                                                   
     Eligibility                                                                                                                
     *Normal  retirement eligibility  for medical  benefits  will be                                                            
     defined as the earlier of                                                                                                  
          - (1) age 60 with 10 years of service                                                                                 
          - (2) 25 years of service (30 years for PERS "others"                                                                 
          retirees).                                                                                                            
     * Disabled participants will be eligible                                                                                   
     * Terminated  vested  participants are  not eligible.  A member                                                            
     must retire  directly from active  service in order  to receive                                                            
     coverage                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Slide 23, page 12                                                                                                          
     Proposed Medical Program                                                                                                   
     Early Retirement                                                                                                           
     *  Early  retirees  who  have  not  reached  normal  retirement                                                            
     eligibility                                                                                                                
          - Receive "access only" plan                                                                                          
          - Will not be eligible for subsidized retiree health plan                                                             
          costs                                                                                                                 
          - Pay 100% of the pre-Medicare eligible (currently pre-                                                               
          age 65) per member per year (PMPY) claim costs                                                                        
     *  Dependent spouses  of early  retirees will  pay 100%  of the                                                            
     appropriate  pre-Medicare or Medicare eligible  PMPY claim cost                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Slide 24, page 12                                                                                                          
     Proposed Medical Program                                                                                                   
     Normal Retirement to Medicare Eligibility                                                                                  
     *  Members  who  retire  directly  from  the  Systems  will  be                                                            
     eligible   for  a  "defined   dollar"  benefit  upon   reaching                                                            
     eligibility for normal retirement                                                                                          
     * Fixed dollar subsidy  toward system sponsored health coverage                                                            
     * Access  to system sponsored retiree medical  plan as outlined                                                            
     above                                                                                                                      
     * Subsidy amount is based on length of service                                                                             
     * Subsidy  amount indexed each year by healthcare  inflation up                                                            
     to a maximum  of 5 percent (with  a "catch-up" provision  based                                                            
     on years when healthcare inflation is less than 5%)                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Slide 25, page 13                                                                                                          
     Proposed Medical Program                                                                                                   
     Normal Retirement to Medicare Eligibility                                                                                  
     *  Upon  becoming  eligible for  Medicare,  such  members  will                                                            
     become eligible for the "defined health" benefit                                                                           
     *  Pre-Medicare  dependent  spouse  is eligible  for  the  same                                                            
     subsidy as retiree                                                                                                         
     *  Medicare  eligible  dependent  spouse  is eligible  for  the                                                            
     Medicare  eligible benefit level, with contribution  percentage                                                            
     based on retiree length of service                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Slide 26, page 13                                                                                                          
     Proposed Medical Program                                                                                                   
     Normal Retirement to Medicare Eligibility                                                                                  
     * Apply  percentages to the applicable  subsidy base  to arrive                                                            
     at the appropriate subsidy amount.                                                                                         
     *  Defined Dollar  Subsidy  Base Annual  PMPY  for fiscal  year                                                            
          2004:                                                                                                                 
                     Pre Medicare              $5,962*                                                                          
     * Subsidy Percentage                                                                                                       
                     Service (yrs)        Subsidy %                                                                           
                          10-14           30%                                                                                   
                          15-19           45%                                                                                   
                          20-24           60%                                                                                   
                          25-29           75%                                                                                   
                          30+             90%                                                                                   
     *  Member  contributions  are  determined  by  subtracting  the                                                            
     annual subsidy  amount from the annual claims  cost for a given                                                            
     year.                                                                                                                      
     *Equivalent to FY2004 pre-Medicare projected claim cost.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Slide 27, page 14                                                                                                          
     Proposed Medical Program                                                                                                   
     After Medicare Eligibility                                                                                                 
     * Defined health benefit similar to current program                                                                        
     * Retirees  who were  previously eligible  for 100% subsidy  of                                                            
     retiree health  plan costs will now participate  in the premium                                                            
     cost.                                                                                                                      
     * Contributions are per covered individual                                                                                 
     *  Pre-Medicare dependent  spouses  are eligible  to receive  a                                                            
     defined dollar subsidy  with percentage based on retiree length                                                            
     of service                                                                                                                 
     * Medicare eligible dependent spouses are eligible to receive                                                              
     the same defined health benefits as the retiree and pay the                                                                
     same contributions                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Slide 28, page 14                                                                                                          
     Proposed Medical Program                                                                                                   
     After Medicare Eligibility                                                                                                 
     *Contribution Base PMPY for fiscal year 2004:                                                                              
                Medicare Eligible         $2,667                                                                                
     * Contribution Percentage                                                                                                  
                     Service (yrs) Contribution %                                                                             
                          10-14           30%                                                                                   
                          15-19           25%                                                                                   
                          20-24           20%                                                                                   
                          25-29           15%                                                                                   
                          30+             10%                                                                                   
     * Apply percentages to the contribution base to arrive at the                                                              
     applicable contribution                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Reynolds  stated that  Slides 20 through  Slide 28 describe  the                                                            
key aspects  of the proposed medical  program. He communicated  that                                                            
under  the proposed  alternatives,  terminated  vested  members  who                                                            
leave  prior  to  retirement  would  not  be  eligible  for  medical                                                            
benefits.  The components  of  Slide 20  were reviewed.  The  System                                                            
sponsored  health plan would  provide varying  levels of subsidy  or                                                            
costs to the members. The  medical benefits program would be divided                                                            
into three phases  over a member's retirement including:  Phase 1 is                                                            
early  retirement in  which a  member who  retires  prior to  normal                                                            
retirement  "would  get  access   to  the  program  but  would  need                                                            
essentially to pay their  own way"; Phase 2 would be from a member's                                                            
normal  retirement  age to  reaching  eligibility age  for  Medicare                                                            
which  is currently  age 65;  and  Phase 3  which is  once a  member                                                            
reaches  Medicare  eligibility.  Phase 2"S  Defined  Dollar  Benefit                                                            
means that  "the system would  provide money  that the member  would                                                            
use  to  help  pay  for  medical  care   but  the  member  would  be                                                            
responsible for the difference  between what the system provides and                                                            
the actual  cost of the medical  care. Phase  3 would be similar  to                                                            
the current  program  with the  exception being  the method  through                                                            
which "the  program coordinates with  Medicare and a greater  degree                                                            
of cost  sharing with  the members through  premium contributions."                                                             
The  Health  Reimbursement  Account  (HRA)  is  intended  to  assist                                                            
members with setting  aside money "to help pay for  some of the cost                                                            
sharing elements  in the proposed program." He recommended  that the                                                            
Committee  Members   independently  review  the  Medical   component                                                            
Slides.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Reynolds informed the  Committee that more information regarding                                                            
the  HRA account  is provided  on  Slides 29  through  38, pages  15                                                            
through 19. HRA have been  in existence for several years and recent                                                            
federal   legislation  "is   making  them   more  common  and   more                                                            
attractive." While HRA  accounts are similar to defined contribution                                                            
plans, the  key point here  is that HRA "is  simply an account  that                                                            
helps accumulate money toward health expenses in retirement."                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Reynolds  stated   that  the  financial  implications   of  the                                                            
alternatives  are depicted  beginning with Slide  39 on page  20. It                                                            
provides the normal  cost rates of Alternative 1 as  compared to the                                                            
current system  for both PERS and TRS. He reminded  that the current                                                            
system's  normal cost rates  were depicted  in Slides 2 and  3. "The                                                            
normal cost  rate is the  cost of the benefit  that the members  are                                                            
expected  to  earn in  any  given year.  It  does not  consider  any                                                            
unfunded  liability that  might need  to be paid  off. It's  a fresh                                                            
start  look at  the cost  of  the retirement  system."  It would  be                                                            
"expected  that on  average  the Alternative  1 program  would  cost                                                            
18.75 percent."  The numbers in parenthesis  reflect the  comparable                                                            
cost for the  current TRS system.  The current projected  cost would                                                            
total 22.97 percent.  Alternative 1 would result in  approximately a                                                            
four-percent  savings.  One  of  the  Tier Redesign  subcommittee's                                                             
objections  was to reduce costs of  the system. Currently,  members'                                                            
share of  the program  cost is 8.69  percent;  under the new  system                                                            
members'  share would  increase to  10.0 percent.  Employers'  costs                                                            
would be reduced  by approximately 5.5 percent. The  PERS cost rates                                                            
are also depicted on Slide 39.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Reynolds  explained that  Slide 40 on  page ten depicts  similar                                                            
information   regarding  Alternative   2.   The  overall  costs   of                                                            
Alternative  2 were  designed to be  similar to  Alternative  1. The                                                            
difference  is that the  defined benefit  program is eliminated  and                                                            
the defined  contribution rate is  higher. He reviewed the  PERS and                                                            
TRS normal  cost  rates for  members and  employers  as proposed  by                                                            
Alternative 2.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Reynolds  concluded  that both  Alternatives  "were designed  to                                                            
have similar  overall long  term cost implications  both to  members                                                            
and  employers."  The  differences   "include  the  levels  of  cost                                                            
volatility that could be  expected from year to year." Alternative 1                                                            
has more  volatility  because it  has retained  the defined  benefit                                                            
component". Alternative  2 would have "considerably  less volatility                                                            
but would continue to have  some cost volatility associated with the                                                            
medical component."                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Millhorn explained  that page 21 depicts the historical PERS and                                                            
TRS Normal  Cost Rates as compared  to the Actuarial Computed  Rates                                                            
for the years  FY 1983 through FY 2006. She noted  that the benefits                                                            
from higher  investment  earnings are  reflected  in the lower  cost                                                            
rates for the years 1999 through 2002.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Reynolds  stated that  pages  22  through  25 portray  the  Key                                                            
Assumptions utilized  for the Actuarial Projections  into the future                                                            
for the  current PERS and  TRS systems. The  assumptions on  page 22                                                            
project  that  there  would  be a  population  growth  rate  of  one                                                            
percent; the PERS  Board would adopt the Actuarial  recommended rate                                                            
with the  provision that,  as established  in State Regulation,  the                                                            
rate could not increase  by more than five-percent per year; and the                                                            
utilization   of  "three   different  possible   economic   futures"                                                            
including one  labeled "Base Rate"  in which it is anticipated  that                                                            
the fund would  earn on average 8.25  percent per year; one  labeled                                                            
"Growth" which  "is a little more optimistic with  higher returns in                                                            
the next few years, leveling  out to the Actuarial assumption in the                                                            
future";  and a  "pessimistic economic  scenario  labeled  Prolonged                                                            
Recession with very poor  investment returns for the first few years                                                            
rebounding  to a higher level but  a level that is still  lower than                                                            
the 8.25 percent assumption."  The known actual returns for the year                                                            
2004  have  been  factored  in.  These  three  scenarios  and  their                                                            
projected contributions  rates are depicted, in graph  form, on page                                                            
23. He  stated that the  graph depicts that  the unfunded  liability                                                            
would  be  paid  off in  25  years.  The  contribution  rates  could                                                            
increase  to as  much as  30-percent under  the  Base Case  scenario                                                            
before declining.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green understood  that this information was provided in the                                                            
Department's January 26 presentation.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Reynolds  affirmed, and  noted that  this information  continues                                                            
for  the  TRS  system   on  pages  24  and  25.  The   TRS  system's                                                            
contributions could increase  to approximately 55-percent before the                                                            
unfunded liability is paid  off. He reiterated that the TRS Board is                                                            
not bound by the five-percent constraint.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Reynolds stated  that the PERS/TRS scenarios for  the new tiers,                                                            
as compared to the current  program are depicted on Slides 41 and 42                                                            
on page 26,  respectfully. He clarified  that because no  one in the                                                            
current system  would be subject to  the new tier provisions,  a few                                                            
years would  pass before the savings  affects of the new  tier would                                                            
be  realized. It  is anticipated  that  "significant  cost  savings"                                                            
amounting to approximately  six or seven percent could result at the                                                            
end of  the 25-year  period  for the  PERS system,  as reflected  on                                                            
Slide  41. Similar  savings  are projected  for  the  TRS system  as                                                            
depicted on Slide 42.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Reynolds and Ms. Millhorn concluded their remarks.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Bunde understood  that a  significant  number of  employees                                                            
would  be retiring  from  the PERS/TRS  systems  over  the next  few                                                            
years. Therefore, implementation  of a new tier within the next four                                                            
or five years would be the most effective action.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Millhorn  deferred  to Mr.  Reynolds,  as her  Division had  not                                                            
conducted an analysis in this regard.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Reynolds responded  that while he could not provide "a numerical                                                            
answer  to the  question", during  the  initial stages  of the  tier                                                            
redesign project,  Mercer had conducted  population projections  for                                                            
both the PERS  and TRS systems for  the next five to ten  years. The                                                            
projections  included  expected  retirements  and the  areas of  the                                                            
system that would  require personnel replacements.  This information                                                            
is available  on  the Department  of Administration's  website.  The                                                            
projections portrayed  on page 26 of the Report reflect  "the affect                                                            
of the new tier were it  to be implemented in the very near future,"                                                            
either today or  in the next one to two years. Projections  were not                                                            
undertaken  that would reflect the  affects of a new tier  occurring                                                            
five years  out. While those projections  are unavailable,  "clearly                                                            
it does defer by five years  any savings that a new tier might bring                                                            
into the system." He agreed  that were "a bubble of people" retiring                                                            
over the next  few years, delaying the implementation  of a new tier                                                            
could  be  characterized  as  "some opportunity   lost in  terms  of                                                            
replacing current membership with new tier members."                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken chaired the following portion of the meeting.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bunde  stated that  he would defer  the decision to  the Co-                                                            
chairs  as  to  whether   development  of  a  chart  depicting   the                                                            
forecasted retirement scenario  might be helpful to the discussions.                                                            
Continuing,   he  asked  for  further   information  regarding   the                                                            
projected one-percent population growth.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Reynolds clarified  that, based on "recent historical analyses,"                                                            
a  one-percent  population  growth is  forecast  in regards  to  the                                                            
growth of members in the  two systems: active membership in PERS has                                                            
grown 1.1 percent  per year on average  over the past five  years as                                                            
compared  to  .6 percent  per  year  growth for  TRS.  He  clarified                                                            
however,  that "it is not  Mercer's attempt  to predict" what  might                                                            
occur in the State.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bunde  stated that it would  be interesting to compare  this                                                            
information to the projections  developed by the Department of Labor                                                            
and Workforce Development.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bunde asked regarding  "the cost of money" in that would the                                                            
State be able to save a  substantial amount of money were it able to                                                            
pay off  the outstanding  debt early, similar  to how an  individual                                                            
might  save money  were their  30-year loan  paid off  prior to  its                                                            
termination date.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Green assumed Chair of the meeting.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Reynolds  responded, "that the  time value of money is  factored                                                            
into all  these calculations."  Paying  off a  mortgage early  would                                                            
save  nominal dollars.  However,  were that  money  invested at  the                                                            
mortgage interest  rate, it would not result in significant  savings                                                            
as tax incentives  and other elements  would not be applicable.  The                                                            
Department  has requested Mercer to  determine the affect  of paying                                                            
off a portion  of the unfunded liability early. This  information is                                                            
being compiled.  He referred the Committee to the  right hand column                                                            
of figures  on aforementioned  Slides 2 and  3 which indicate  that,                                                            
were each systems'  entire unfunded balance paid off,  the cost rate                                                            
would decrease  from 25.63 percent  to 13.24 percent and  from 38.85                                                            
percent to 14.28 percent  for PERS and TRS respectfully. "That would                                                            
be  the  savings  realized  from  paying  off  the  entire  unfunded                                                            
portions  of the unfunded…."  Were half  of it  paid off, "the  past                                                            
service rate would decrease by half."                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Green announced  that, due to  time constraints,  Members'                                                            
questions  pertinent  to  these issues  would  continue  during  the                                                            
Friday, January 28, 2005 meeting.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green adjourned the meeting at 11:01 AM                                                                                

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